Football Writers on Liverpool( Rhian Brewster ) , Arsenal (Laurent Koscielny) and Newcastle .

Football Writers on Liverpool( Rhian Brewster ) , Arsenal (Laurent Koscielny) and Newcastle .



[Applause] welcome to the football writers podcast my name is Mike Calvin I'm joined by Daniel story the author and columnist and bicep staffer bra editor of t throat football summer of love hardly it's been pantomime season at Newcastle they've allowed an inspirational manager to walk away they've solved their top goalscorer they've sold their fans down the river again it looks like Steve Bruce may be making the biggest mistake of a long career now I know it's a crowded field Dan but is there a more dysfunctional Club not in the Premier League I don't think the club's further down on the brink possibly of extinction but this isn't a competition and there's enough shame and guilt to go around and Newcastle deserve all they get I think the best way to describe it now is that there is a Newcastle United FC and there's a Mike Ashley FC and the last embers of Newcastle United FC probably went with Rafa Benitez because he was the only one keeping that cow's house of cards upright and supporters were already always going to mutiny and we're always going to protest if Benitez went they promised that and philetus has gone and they will do that and I don't think any of the answers the club how from this moment in other than a takeover that's gone very quiet are going to give them acceptable answers and I completely agree than on that we're talking about the 19th richest club in the world they looked like that they're being cheap and nasty you've got what looks like an unsavory situation developing almost as we speak you know it's understood that Steve Bruce has resigned along with his assistants Steve Agnew and statement Clemens from Sheffield Wednesday so we'll hear more about that as the week progresses I'm sure it's not it's a unholy mess isn't it it really is and I thank sting when I heard about the Steve Bruce connection like was that I just seems like Mike actually quite enjoys the provocation of it obviously Steve Bruce being I know he's a Geordie but he's a former I'm the manager and it will not be a popular pointment taking out all this sort of the issue with his managerial record and the whether he deserves that promotion or not but it it's I think it's just it's just dispiriting it's like they're the last bit of air being taken out of the bloom because while bonitos was there it was almost like a sort of foam there was there was a sense of willful denial about the fan base they knew the realities of their situation they knew the limitations of it but bonitas is a football manager and he is about the football he is not he does not fit the trends of managers who had been appointed before him and obviously after him either so it's um I just felt very sorry for Newcastle supporters because it's a um they've had to enjoy us for a really really long time and this is just it's just another insult actually mmm do you think this is a tipping point that there will be you know we already were hearing about people not renewing season tickets can we gave our half-empty assent Jones's pop come a season started I think that probably is the way to force change and but it's not as simple as that Newcastle and the Northeast is an area that lives for its football it lives for Saturday 3 p.m. and there's an argument that some fans were saying I completely understand it that my caste has taken all the joy out of it the last final defeat would be first to not go at all because that's their club as they see it this is our club and you will not defeat me and if I don't go anymore out you will have defeated me it's not as easy as not renewing season tickets if if you don't renew your season ticket Newcastle you lose all your away points and away tickets are hard to come by so if this if a takeover then goes through and they want to go to games again and there's a change of ethos a change of ownership then they might want to go again and it's not as easy so I can understand them not but I also think that's probably I think it's their best hope of change they also think there are very very few more stubborn football owners club owners than Mike Ashley and nothing we've seen so far indicates a willingness to change on anything other than his terms maybe there would work if there's no one at st. James's Park but a Football Club gains its revenue far less out of ticket sales and it used to so there's no guarantee it does and it might just make things worse those supporters because as I say the one thing they have got at the moment is that they go to games and they still that may be out some warped enjoyment but it's still theirs if they stop going then they've got nothing mmm and the fans are asking you know where's the money gone yeah there's a regular miss accusation against supporters in this type of situation that they are asking for the world that they are asking for glory and trophies they don't want that and Newcastle what they want is a a they want a club that they can like as well as love they can believe in and be they want a club that is at least willing to fulfill its potential at least facing in the right direction to fulfill its potential if it fulfills its potential subs right they can finish in the top six there's no reason why not but they're not asking for that at the moment all they're asking is is a belief that the club is trying to do that and that's what they're finding impossible to believe because at every step of the way the club scene and its owner seems intent on tripping it up intent on holding it back and that is incredibly dispiriting it's incredibly damning of an owner that it takes some effort to make Newcastle as bad as it is it takes some effort to make that club as miserable as it is and he's managed it and commercially is unsuccessful as it is well the growth figures perf in Newcastle I've lost because that's always been presented as a trade-off Mike it's a we recede our footballing ambition for sake of this this other quality which has never actually described or detailed properly and yet when you look at the figures over lost in 15 years I think Newcastle live growing their commercial revenue by about a million pounds yeah it may be in this era that's yeah it's Matt that's it maybe laughs because when they sold ioz press and to last for 30 million pounds the line from the club is that this will go into the transfer budget and I thought well that's good though it means it will join the Moussa Sissoko money in the antique our money oh yeah yeah they're not asking to spend hundred millions of pounds they're asking to spend money that the club off its own back generates yet push that back into the club and into the region and see what can happen yeah that begs the question said is this are they going to be left with a relegation squad absolutely at the moment like they've got no centre forward I mean they've got Dwight girl returning from West Brom and and there are I'm sure Academy prospects that could potentially fill the role but it might in my mind saddleman Rondon was the premier target man in the division last season he's left because Mike actually doesn't want a sanction a deal for a player of that age okay that's a perspective of sorts but then you have to actually put something in his place so the moment if they don't finish if they finish any higher than 20th they'll be very surprised there was no manager no center forward there's been no improvement whatsoever they have lost a very valuable source of goals with nothing in its place so I can't really I can't even spin a positive even if I'm being contrary mm-hmm if you're a shift or Wednesday supporter you're entitled to feel completely betrayed aren't you yeah I think you probably are football has a pretty skewed concept of loyalty anyway in that if if none of this interest had happened in Sheffield Wednesday lost their first eight games of the season then the club would have quickly got rid of Steve Bruce but even outside of that hypothetical they can feel a little bit the grieved you know they they put some faith and patience in Steve Bruce when they appointed him because he felt he needed a break he felt he needed a step away from the game for for personal reasons as well as professional but they understood that and you know they gave him that he think he's only managed 18 games and he's won seven of them and there were signs that things were turning around but Scheffer Wednesday's a club that needs stability at the moment financially they are in a precarious situation as many championship clubs are they've only just released their accounts for the 1718 season and they they only look acceptable because they sold that the club has sold the stadium effectively to a third party that generated of money to avoid losses heavy losses so they're in a precarious situation and the one thing they needed was stability and that's what Bruce promised them when he took over so yeah I think they can feel pretty betrayed but that's the reality of life unfortunately if I can't really blame Steve Bruce for for wanting to manage his hometown club I can question his judgment in wanting to manage this Newcastle United because it's not the new custody night that he's got in his mind it's not one he's got in his heart it's a very different Club to that he will come he will also come in as a symbol of our gene that is loathed yeah he will and it's very interesting to hear former Newcastle players Michael Chopra who is not particularly successful as a player there but come out and say hang on a minute this is not good enough this is not good enough for supporters if you were a man of that city back the supporters don't back the club and they have someone like Bruce who will come in and think I can change this but that's wishful thinking I understand Lee wants another shot the Premier Li got understanding he feels like he wants to manage Newcastle but this is not Newcastle anymore it's Mike Ashley FC and they're very different things it's very strange to hear him say when he when he talked about Newcastle were owed the respect of the conversation when he was still on the contractor of Sheffield Wednesday it's like he's talking about John Hall's Club rather my gosh that this doesn't this if they are owed any respect in this situation it's a it was a that is a terrible PR gaffe straight off the bat if you're not if you if you want to come into the club you see your hometown club I understand that but if you're not going into that situation with your eyes open and a full appreciation for that situation is that is not a particularly just sells you unfortunately it sells you to supporters yeah as a yes man for the row genius so it sells it is you're either putting yourself first or you're putting the club in its current entity first and neither of those are appetizing to supporters I hesitate to say this because it might come across as being cynical but you know what direct influence kind of kind of supporters group or group of supporters have this morning we've also seen group of influencers at Arsenal launching a we care do you campaign aimed at Stan Kroenke who is a veteran of basically out ranging fan bases in North America yeah very very worthy stuff but will it actually matter I think the mattering is is hard to define and in terms of financial impact it's never meant less we might have those banners of without supporters football is nothing but in two financial terms that's simply not true without supporters financially football is a tiny little bit less not enough less but it's about feeling like you're trying to make a difference it's about feeling that if it in five years time the club is in ruins can you feel that you did all you could for something you love very deeply for something that you possibly and be loved more than anything and for longer than anything else in your life so it is about feeling as if you're making a difference and it's about channeling your energies into something that is at least positive so I get it I get why people do that whether it makes a difference or not I don't know but there's probably a sense of well even you know if nothing else at least we've given you an effort but to repeat what I said before some people will feel that boycotts and there's a difference when protests and boycotts is making a point on something boycott is actively avoiding going to something that you have loved doing for a long time and that's that's a lot to ask and they're varied the difficulty of this and the reason the owners like Stan Kroenke win is that things like this cause disconnect and fractions between supporter groups and between supporter bases that's what's happening at Newcastle United at the moment and that's a huge shame because the one thing they need to be is to pardon the ponies United on these sort of things and they're not if we look at Arsenal are we watching sort of breakdown of any sort of collective culture team ethic if you like you've got because show neilandchris earlier essentially going on strike yeah he's saying he's promised one thing clever saying something completely different it's a time where the club is in complete flux simply you know because of the ownership issues that we've talked about where to a store go from this if they're not strong you know the whole stronger together movement if they're not together I are in real deep trouble absolutely my I think I think come the comienzan was interesting because he's probably the last pair I have expected to behave like that they've been a model professional is he doesn't craning noise there's never been any audible disaffection throughout his career so his his his strike action his absent without leave moment it seems like a symptom of a perfect storm of circumstance of the club so you have a very disappointing end to the season you have the historic issues with the ownership and the lack of investment and the strangely low transfer budget I'd say there is the mismanagement of the wage budget within that which has caused problems the aaron ramsey decision which has this kind of strange binary relationship with the retention of meza as oh but I think the greatest affliction for us on now is the there's no real reason to buy in and I'll extend that to supporters and prospective players whereas not going what is what is this club's direction and trajectory you think if you were a if you were a player with a a chance repast and you had a transfer offer on the table for Arsenal what is your motivation to join that Club because what are you what are you thinking where are you what are you attaching your wagons – I am I going to be playing the Chauncey in a couple of years am I going to be surrounded by world-class players probably not on both accounts it's a very difficult time for them because their identity the historic identity is unimpeachable fine but their modern identity what they stand for in the pure footballing sense I have no idea which is a you know say what you like about arson bang or ever and had a position within that argument but you knew what arsenal were you knew what they were trying to do now I don't know now I I mean I do is return this sporting director that's that's that's potentially good news theoretically but they seem to be in this a very new type of limbo and that there must be very very difficult for for anyone with any emotional ties to the club there's no memories five captains to have gone ones gone AWOL you then got jacker there's been mediocre in patches let's say and you've got ouzel who's a completely polarizing figure how can you get any sort of substance out of that no you can't but it's very similar to Manchester United and that I'm slightly loath to blame existing players at a club where from top down everything has been allowed to rot you know if you don't fix the roof then don't complain when they cut the carpets and the lounger are moldy and wet because and that's what's happened to the squad it's been allowed to go mouldy it's been allowed to rot and yes it would be nice if players could seize the initiative and could grab games and seasons and their fellow teammates by the scruff of the neck and an arsenal had those players in in Tony Adams and Patrick Vieira and there's a sense of of what has been lost in that in that initiative that a sense of initiative but some players aren't naturally like that and unfortunately what happens is that when you let us move from the top down it becomes very very hard to fix those problems with fixing the problems at the top because all you're doing is to crowbar in another analogy is you're rearranging decks on the Titanic and that's what's happening at Manchester United that's what's happening at Arsenal and that doesn't seem to be yes I do coming in is positive but there doesn't seem to be a real sense of proactively trying to fix those things everything seems like reaction just make do reaction every summer rather than going let's just go back to basics here and completely revamp I thought you know Murray was a good appointment in hindsight I think they would have been better going for a Miguel Arteta because it would have at least engineered perhaps some sort of reset and they desperately need that we so you know it's very discouraging Mike is that suddenly getting this summer like you know even fans who just watch the occasional gaming TV could have um diagnose the footballing issues at Arsenal can't defend weak in central midfield a little bit lighter definitely left-sided fullback the injury to hack the banner and suggests that they need cover in that position too and we are what we are three weeks away from the Community Shield and so far Arsenal's problems there there there there reactions that has been to try and some Wilfried Zaha and they Brazilian forward it's as if you know you can you can tolerate your Football Club making the states because transferred dealing is it's a toss of the coin we know this but it seems at the moment like people don't really understand what the problems are and that's very discouraging if there's no targeted remedy then what do you think it's as if like a you know one of the the Talking Heads from a fan channel is in charge of transfer policy now be like I want the shiny thing on the shiny things to distract me from other things that are actually wrong that's not how he run a successful football club because I'm hearing on a whole number of levels that Arsenal are incredibly hem fisted in their transfer negotiations and it seems that we're going through that with mutiny at Celtic as well where they made you know they low-balled very early on and now they've averaged eventually come up with the twenty five million that Celtic say they want and Celtic just say well yeah what have you done for us lately yeah give us some more it's that combination of incompetence and kind of hardwired in bill arrogance from when they were effectively a super Club and they're not a super Club anymore because everyone has at the time where they were a super Club everyone has that much money now you know Crystal Palace have that much money now they don't need to sell a player they don't need to get spooked by arsal anymore you know the only way that you are able to low ball clubs nowadays if if you persuade a player or an agent to really push it and I'll slant attractive enough to persuade club agents and players to do that anymore so you have to do what Aston Villa have done this summer which is you overpay for a player because that's how you get business done efficiently otherwise you're left with two weeks in a transfer window remaining and you haven't signed anyone because you can't persuade players to come over the line it's that mix of arrogance and incompetence is incredibly damaging and it isn't it enables clubs as big as Arsenal and there's big as Manchester United to effectively fall into the pack yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna square a ball across on empty six yard box for you here is the Arsenal situation highlighted by the fact that Tottenham and no longer Spurs II they're serious yeah I think so I think that's fair I mean it's not a very flattering comparison isn't it is it because you sort of I think back to you know the sort of projections of what Tottenham someone was likely to be at the beginning of last season when you have the financial burden the stadium the difficulties of essentially being in transit being you know living out of a hotel room figuratively for most the season Arsenal have a desperate need in central midfield Tottenham despite the the difficulties with the stadium and the cost of it are able to go out and spend seventy million pounds on probably I'd say the best central midfielder on the market in Europe this summer how is that possible like how is I understand Chairman's League revenue but in terms of kind of what the club have been dealing with how harassed no not at the very least after this long history of sustained charity qualification housing mismanagement been so severe that they have lost not only positional ground in the football sense to Spurs but also financial parity it's extraordinary and no I'm not parse out enough to take pleasure in that because it's just it's it's kind of a it's too modern football II to be a tribal victory it's just it's depressing it's kind of you know the Arsenal fans were sold an illusion you know the new stadium was supposed to – to bring sort of this rich New Era and part from kind of a few sort of defective players have been brought in at huge cost you have performed to a high level it feels like it that that deals been reneged on now um and if you're an Arsenal fan you just gotta hate Washington and qualify for European Cup final qualifying for the Champions League again and and and signing the player that they are it's it's very very very difficult and if if Spurs steel William Saliba from sanity and you know that'll put the tin lid on the opponent yeah it's a it's a symbolic transfer it really is my field Daniel leaving might be being a little bit mischievous I think again it comes back to that to that hardwired arrogance of just assuming that your deal was done so you can you can let it organically sort itself out without making sure you're getting it over the line the two clubs that are suffering from that the most Manchester I'd national or the two that when they were inefficient were saved by consistent managers they were they were conceived by Alex Ferguson they were saved by arson manga for a period of time when Liverpool where Manchester City when Tottenham got things wrong they were fully punished for it because they didn't have any cover for that and I think those two managers have provided so much cover over the last 15 20 years that now they're not there and they're making mistakes those clubs are being scared and they're finally being punished for those in efficiencies whereas the clubs who were who were punished previously the Liverpool Manchester City's the Tottenham's yes with an extraordinary amount of money but they are able to prove that they've learned in those mistakes and to now do things properly talking about Manchester United it's been a bit of a topsy-turvy weekend you know on Saturday it was assumed that they'd done a deal 80 million pounds for Harry Maguire now on Sunday everyone rode back from that and it seems that Maguire is you know he wants to go but he's not gonna become you know a hostage to fortune and he will just let it let the cards fall as they may where are Manchester United in terms of their recruitment process because it seems all over the place absolutely nowhere Mike they um as yeah we've gone last season talking about who they were going to appoint as the director of football and 12 months have gone by you know maybe a dozen different people are being connected and yet there is still no obvious renovation of the public departments at the moment you have a manager who I know he's under permanent contract now but it's still viewed really as an interim you have a few changes Mike Phelan it's been installed in a position that is still a little bit ill-defined at the moment I think that's fair to say and so without that kind of the overarching structure being implemented there is no there is no direction we do not know what Manchus Knights are trying to achieve we understand that they have a defensive weakness and that they would quite like to sign Harry McGuire that 80 billion pounds which is extraordinary but even with that you sort of yeah you have this you have a very good player in her McGuire but if you go further south you can have tabled the viral for 25 million pounds in three different installments over two years so that's quite hard for me to rationalize I know there's a there's a homegrown play and this is now that's fine that you know I did don't seem to be building towards anything it goes we've covered this two or three times now it's like you can tolerate downturns because football is cyclical and always has been and always will be what you can't tolerate during your downturns is the idea that no root has been planned back up and that's Manchester United's a Dan mentioned arrogance earlier I think it's a really fair way of putting it it's a weird Manchester United and you hear this from Soulja you hears from Saucer who's talked about not selling players or where Manchester United this just not relevant anymore in reality most noted or a Europa League team and they deserve to be because they're not good enough to play in the Champions League now so once that's recognized and once the the elements which instruct that are cured then you have a reason to believe that Manchester my two risotto as it is they're just every year it gets a bit more muddled and every year you don't you see less and less appetite for not revolution but a renovation it's just it's it's a mess who's wrong as soon as sort of parallel situation in terms of local rivalry with with measures to City where you've got a clear strategy you know they recognized that fur knowing Dino's on his last legs so they bought him Rodri within that there was some talk about them being linked with Danny a novice in what universe does that makes sense right player bot yes and I think a 35 year old Danny Alvers is probably a 31 32 year old version of any other world class fullback but no it doesn't make much sense purely because he is a name signing nowadays as soon as you move to Paris and you man quite frankly boo you become a name signing and in Pep Guardiola doesn't seem to want to go down that route and I completely understand it I think he's got enough ego in a complementary sense enough ego in that team to take it on already without bringing in others Roger II is a perfect example of Manchester City we identify the player he first comes on the radar of transfer rumors 18 months ago and 18 months down the line they get their man and this is a club that that tried to replicate and cherry-pick everything Barcelona did because Barcelona do we're doing everything better than anyone else and they're reaping the rewards for that and they are they are looking constantly proactively even when they're winning they are doing more Pro action the Manchester United are when they're losing and that's that's pretty damning mmm let's look at Liverpool said there's a lot of talk on the strength yeah one pre-season friendly at Tranmere ole rien Brewster having an important role to play this season is that just preseason whimsy well he's called yesterday at Bradford too hard to say I mean I don't feel like I've got a hold on what kind of play around Brewster is really impressive young man I had heard him speak and to hear him speak about the challenges he's faced in his career and the and the difficulties he's experienced with racial abuse on the field and from the stands I have a lot of admiration for him as a football or I'd don't know because mainly because I don't where he fits in I mean where are you where are you placing him to give him significant game time within that from three because he's a forward not quite sure what kind of younger upgraded version of storage maybe maybe but then even you know the actual version of storage is a was before he left Liverpool kind of incidental Devo curry G is just signed a new contract he has in a strange way proving his worth over the last sort of few weeks of last season I don't know I am it's it's one of those things that people say I mean Pep Guardiola did the same with Phil Foden like I said you know he's definitely he's definitely my plans and he's definitely gonna be inserted into important potent situations and that was kind of true by the end of the season but over that over the year as a whole not really so I don't know I think I'd I quite like to see him go online somewhere just because I just to see him him discover himself as a player and to actually define a role for himself and then maybe in a year's time come back and fight for whatever that role actually is I mean yeah maybe the best situation for him what to Liverpool need then to actually stay at the same level or even reach a higher level I think cops next challenge is to keep Liverpool as a super Club in terms of achievement which they have now reached by definition while also trying to maintain those those links with with the community with young players with players i reimburse too and you know it was bad would been Woodburn before here man I get exactly how Wilson's there and and Turner Alexander Arnold is a you know a flashing neon light towards that but he only came into the team because Nathaniel Klein was injured and he took his chance unbelievably Joe Gomez his young player obviously they signed him from Charlton so I think that's his next challenge is to rather than signing players to bolster his squad to see if he can bring players through to be the challenges for the for the starting positions because they've got an incredibly young team you know Jordan Henson was their most regular was a oldest most regular player last season James Milner came in and out but Henderson's Salone it's not 30 yet so there's there's a lot more to come out and our BK to there's a lot more to come out of my beanie oxlade-chamberlain will be fully fit Joe Gomez was injured for parts of last season so there's a heck of a lot of competition for places in that squad before you bring in the young player so I think that's his challenge and because he knows if he can do that without resorting to romantic cliché there could be very powerful at Liverpool if you can come if you can create a conveyor belt of youngsters when the club is successful I mean that's the best that Liverpool of have done in their history is by by doing that so I think that's his challenge and and I mean they're very fortunate and they are comprehensive second favorites for the Premier League they will be very disappointed if they don't finish in the top two in the Premier League next season because purely because of the leaps and bounds that came last season so he's kind of got a little window because people don't win the league next season and they don't win the Champions League next season I think Klopp still retains a heck of a lot of goodwill I don't think anyone sees that as horrible disappointment simply because of what he did last season let's look at everything across the city and the inference of the director of football Marcel Branson in this case looks like Fabian Delph is going in for around about 8 million which strikes me as very good business talk about Diego Costa which is I said you're throwing a grenade into the dressing room with happens how is that experiment at Everton working do you think at the moment positively I mean there's a caveat hearing that Everton have a operating under a transfer ban from the r18 players I think that expires in 2020 and one of them one of Marcel brands is selling points was his ability to make the most of academy products so let's park that for another year but I think finally diverting you've got a little bit of a sense of order I think prior to him arriving it was very very difficult to understand their movement in the transfer when it was like you know the seasons under Steve Walsh were it was like what we said about Manchester knighted here they were trying to cure a problem without really understanding what it was so you just got a lot of players being bought for a lot of money to fill no specific place in the team which is very strange but I think that um there's obviously a little bit of a partnership between brands and amarka silver that's probably important that dynamic between manager and director foot but you've got to have a a singular philosophy between them for having a sherry I think it's behind the Diego cost a thing that's the name that gets attached to him which is strange because the best owners are the ones that have no dealings whatsoever in football because they're not qualified like rich successful men think they nice pool because they watch a lot of it but these positions in the modern day are filled by people with actual qualifications and experience and everything half that I mean Walsh was a scout and really a director of football brands has a track record for making clubs not teams necessarily but clubs better and healthier and more productive and more financially efficient and there are those signs it's been nicely quiet they've got Andre Gomez in there are a few rumors floating around but there is a there's a nice balance Delf is a logical signing so everything everything that's happening at Everton quite differently to a few years ago as in ritual you look at intake yeah that makes sense they need a sense forward they don't need to do your Kosta shape center fool but they need to send it forward but otherwise they've kind of moved quite nicely through the summer and I think that's a that is always a symptom of health when you can understand what they're trying to achieve mmm similarly at Norwich you've got another director of football who has a very very clear vision of what that club represents and he's changed the culture of the club you know I'm talking yeah about Stu Weber there how do you think they'll get on this season Norwich I think it's harder and harder for promoted clubs to to stay up to make their mark and it feels more and more like they have two choices choose either to spend big because they feel they need to and that's nothing they're gonna do no which is correct some or stick to exactly what they know and they've got this vision and they'd be stupid to do anything else whether that's enough to keep them up is another matter entirely it sounds very it sounds a very negative way of looking at it but I think promoted clubs now are coming up and thinking right let me look at the league table and pick three clubs I think we can finish above and I'm sure that's deep down is what most Norwich fans are looking at the table and doing but if it doesn't work if they do go down again there's no reason why they can't be strong with the experience certainly financially but also with the fact they've stuck to their guns the fact that they are doing things the right way the fact that they're buying players that fit a pattern and fit a mold of the club as long as for as long as Daniel Farkas there I don't see any reason to change that why would they they their promotion last season was and the way in the man who which they achieved it was was truly extraordinary it really was seeking see Farkas fingerprints over there transfer dealings so far you know you've got Ralph Armen the goalkeeper they brought in from Schalke the Swiss strike dynamic it was a pretty much left field guy but they got him from mönchengladbach there is it signs you know you talked earlier on said about the you need an umbilical call between the manager and the director football they are they have got that yeah you know what a Chris Joel Evers had actually lie I mean I think the guy was he was a head of youth that Rex and when he was 19 or something and he's he's only he's younger than I am now and he's been it's been at Liverpool it's been at wolves he was one of the powers behind Huddersfield rise I know he was instrumental in the signing of Aaron Moyer which I was filled with live Borden Magna didn't it yeah absolutely um you know so – what a crit so at this at this point why would you not have faith in his ability to adapt firmly I don't really like damage I found that a little bit strange that was a weird one the goalkeeper I don't know I know that there are some issues with Tim cruel that there's a little bit of chatter amongst the fans about whether he's good enough for Emily so fine fair enough but I'm like I'm interested by what bye-bye Norwich I think they've come to the Premier League with a very different sort of mindset they've gone playing started football of course but with a different scouting imperative which is fascinating you mentioned filler earlier on and you know there is this wolf it's almost the nature debate at the moment are they gonna do a Fulham it looks like they're gonna spend around about the same money about 100 million yeah are they going about it in the in a better fashion I think they're going about in the only fashion they could for several reasons very quickly firstly they lost 14 players at the end of last season some of those who were loaned deals ending which left them I think with 17 players in the first team squad so they had a lot of work to do anyway they've also bought defenders which Fulham didn't do really not good ones they had too much faith in Denis a Dorian Tim Ream for most of the season which was to their downfall and they've also bought their players early which always sticks out because they've done more business than most but Fulham signed five players on deadline day last summer that was the problem you created that era of transients that it felt like no one was mucking in to a potential relegation battlin and no one ever did really muck into it Dean Smith is is a is a villa man through and through and he's a man who demands players buy into that ethos of the club so by buying them early that's exactly what you'll persuade them to do I still think it's can be very hard to stay up but I don't think you can criticize them for doing what they're done because I don't actually think we had a choice you know you know one of the one of the things people miss it for them like buying a lot of players is not necessarily a symptom of dysfunction dan said it philony to do further fillings recruiting problems lasted for three years they they pre-existed their promotion they had I forget his first name but the Klein the Tony day Tony Kahn's friend brought in his day Thomas that's he's the guy attached that sumo wrestling outfit anecdote that is one of the best I've ever actually in football but you had this disconnect between what the manager wanted between who he wanted to manage and the type of player the club wants to bring in it is always a disaster Villa don't have that if you listen to Christian Pirlo talk about Villa now it is always a way it is always with reference to Dean Smith it is do is what we as a club of trying to do and that is there's no reason as a result to prejudge what's happening this summer there's no there's no undue asurela signing that there's no assigning you look at and go there's no don't really want to be you're only here because you didn't have another offer yeah they've made no no song yet and it helps also that Dean has come from club Brentford who are extremely smart in recruitment absolutely you know he wanted Bjorn angle he's just got you know when were a year ago when he was a breakfast yeah and he signs as he comes in one of the or he's one of the highest-rated centre-backs in the country and one of the championships best defenders so yeah there is a there is we we've said it over and over on the show already but there was Pro action there there is a plant this is all this is is carrying out a plan early in the transfer window this isn't a mad rush of signings or a mad panic this is merely carrying out what they wanted to achieve and yes they have overpaid for players I think overpay for timings overpay from that target but that's the price you pay now when you want to get things done quickly and the club that selling those players doesn't need to sell them so you either hang on and hang on and buy them on the last day for an inflated for you you buy them for an inflated for early on and that's the best way to do it what do you think of the way that Chef of generators are going about things so Chris Wylde assigned a new longer term contract Jagielka Phil Jagielka is going back there which has you know sentimental attachment if we're being you know pretty forensic about it he was on the slide wasn't you Everton he's it enough that that Football Club will be built in the image of its manager well I think Chris Wylde is a very innovative manager I mean I particularly like when the present pieces are fantastic his set pieces it's amazing how often last season chevy Knights scored a goal from the set piece and won it when by principle goal threat was completely unmarked it just suggests incredible incredibly good seppius design I think Emily Gordon says we'll enjoy watching the way his center-backs play with the overlap around the outside um I think they'll enjoy watching Oliver Norwood and his sort of delivery from that shadow right position I've got a little bit of a question mark against um Billy sharp and David McCall Drake I just I don't know I'd love Billy sharp to sort of have an Andy Johnson season just you know a proper Indian summer and McGoldrick has certainly become very prolific Unitas 30s I don't know whether they'll score enough goals but they're not they're not tactically blunt this is not um with the greatest respect that Neil Warnock this is not Cardiff City again this is a okay slightly underpowered team but a very smart and tied to be well designed team so they'll out think some people and they'll Surprise them they're not they're not a blood and thunder charge in two tackles win every fifty-fifty team that's the misconception and that's just because there are teams solely comprised of British and Irish players and managed by someone who cut his teeth in the non leagues but they are and yeah they're there they'll be interesting they'll be good to watch any other breakout teams you know I'm looking at wolves and here again we talk about the corporatization of football don't we you know they're in Shanghai today there's a pop up wolves Megastore which has been stormed by the media and new newfound fans in China but it's the club in danger of losing something intrinsic so I mean really important possibly obviously last week they lost Laurie Dalrymple who is I mean very much a businessman but was a a kind of halfway house between wolves and and fussing you know he was a he was he kept both a foot in both camps I think it's fair to say and that would be of a hard roll and a hard person to replace but I think that represents the fact that that wolves of wolves is journey now is almost being self propelled by the success on the pitch so that there's clearly the relationship was your tremendous there's no doubt about that but that seems to be very safe the ownership now seems to be a settled so I think they think that the only way is up the question with wolves will always happen when things slow down whether there is any inbuilt patients in this rise and then personally I think I would favor that Lester as the breakout team over Ward this season because I think there is a there is a slightly ironically on the back of winning what the most astonishingly title in history but there is a sense that it doesn't all have to happen at once and if there are you know there is a couple of months of slowdown that it doesn't build any pressure on anyone they to me feel more sustainable at the moment but if you look where wolves have come from there's no you got me it's pretty hard to have a popper anyone involved in the whole process because it's been astonishing all right West Ham mmm whirring noises this forward thing just feels very reminiscent of what where they were a couple years ago thirty-eight since 2010 or so like in the last couple of weeks they've they've mixed that mr. max Gomez who refused to even speak to them before going to Valencia they won't spend 40 million pounds on Sebastian Kahala and try Frankfurt good player but very much played in lukovitch's shadow last season this morning on the train up to record this mic I heard that they there they're interested in Andrew Bellatti with Torino forward which you just think you're dreaming no chance it just feels sorry who linked with Egwene as well and which might if you take those four players as a group they're not the same force a funny boy band isn't it where's the harmony in that group like it's kind of we wanna forward and we want to spend a lot of money on a forward we don't really care how he fits into the team because you've got four very different players so where is your I'm kind of it a lot it just feels so West Ham yeah I actually think that we better off not getting one and playing playing there band of exciting attacking fielders is one big melting pot me you've got you've got Filipe Anderson you've got Andrew Young Malenko and you've got for now that's come in and you've got Michael Antonia that still does this thing and you've got mammals ant land zeny back fit again yeah you've got a really exciting group of attacking midfielders there that you're almost holding back I think by playing a Center for just just play a group of them and be exciting he's coming out with these names like who is who is who is saying right we've got a list of targets I'm going to work away through them ordinarily and normally every other club that list of targets is kind of the same player yeah with with some exceptions or with some strengths and weaknesses we think right we've got a first and a second and third and west how it's just a kind of we've got this big check for 40 million pounds and we are determined to spend it on someone that is not I have I have trouble with that it's owners and cookie jars someone's cono you know I saw this I I suppose going on on TV or this YouTube but you know like I don't it's it's like your players that we've heard of that we can afford and you know we'll bring some attention it's just like that is not how you build a football team it may be how you sell some shirts but yeah let's let's end if we may with some reflections on a forward who knew his own role and everyone you is role Peter Crouch his retirement we've lost the character that's for sure what else have we lost I think he probably is and it's a very sweeping generalization but I think he's probably everyone's second favorite footballer your favorite football is the best player at your club generally and your second favorite what will his Peter Crouch he was he was he was better than he looked and he was better than most of us gave him credit for but yet he is someone who absolutely squeezed everything out of what he had particularly international level and managed to do something that we increasingly think is a very serious business with a smile on his face absolutely didn't take himself too seriously and I've got a lot of a lot of time for that because we do take football very very seriously – seriously it's a lot easier to do it with a smiling face when you're earning a lot of money but yeah many didn't so hear good on him he's attached to one of my favourite furbling laymen his goal of the Etihad as a tunnel and wonderful day I think he's self-deprecating how rare is that like a guy that just doesn't he he knew how to poke fun at himself he knew how lucky he was to play the game for a living remember the first time I ever saw him was a a QPR against Sheffield Wednesday and probably about 2001 it was absolutely dreadful but he was a young guy and he was still sort of learning how to use his body properly and then within 10 years he's playing the chamber that he's playing at World Cups and I would I would a good role model in the footballing sense you know the amount of them if you sort of read up in the other parts of the career that the amount of disdain he suffered through because of his his shape and his height and he was a pretty slender blissfully pretty thin guy as Ambilight yeah like that's a you know in it you know it's only really just changing now but in the academy world where they kind of wanted cookie Carter athletes to play in a very specific way it was difficult presumably for him so all the respect in the world for what he achieved yeah well football is full of whispers and moans but I've never heard anyone

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