Musicians: What Defines Success?

Musicians: What Defines Success?



hello hermits wow it has been such a long time since I've made a podcast so first things first I would like to apologize I have been so busy guys jumping in between jobs working full time plus studying at college plus making music and collaborating all those things in between I have a lot going on and I have a ton of projects so I haven't been able to make as many podcasts is what I would like but I am here today to make a podcast and to pretty much get the ball on the roll again because there are a lot of you who I need to feature you guys are great musicians and again I would like to apologize for the delayed schedule and another thing is to I know that a lot of you guys are coming from my band lab page and a lot of you guys send me messages but here's the thing sometimes I don't get your messages until like a month later it's crazy I'm not sure if it's just something with band lab system I've let them know a couple times they say that they're working on the issue I don't know all I know is that sometimes I don't get your messages and then it's hard for me to respond and then I get them like a month or two later and I feel so terrible because I don't see them right away so just to let you know that if you message me and I don't message you back it is not because I'm ignoring you it is simply the fact that I don't have your messages like they don't exist in my inbox all right so I have one featured artist for today he has been a major supporter of the podcast and a major supporter of my music as well I consider him a friend he's one of my good musician buddies and I've been listening to his stuff for a while now and he's been progressing so much he makes a lot of emotional pieces and a lot of it comes from his faith and I think that that type of raw conviction is something that needs to be supported and although I don't get into religion or faith that it's not really something that I delve into especially on any of my channels or my music or or this podcast I do want to amend this and I want people to realize that he puts a lot of work and effort into what he does and I think that's amazing and I think that should be applauded on this podcast so we're gonna talk about his work later guys for now I was thinking this morning well if I'm gonna do a podcast you know I'm sitting down reflecting with my cup of coffee and I'm thinking okay well what am I going to talk about and one of the biggest things that that hit me is that about a month ago guys I got on Spotify and Pandora and Amazon and a bunch of other places that I probably don't remember at this point and it really surprised me because you know I'm definitely not a corporatist type of person I you know I sell all of my music for pretty much bare minimum if there was an option that I could sell it for nothing I I would but I couldn't find that option if anybody knows that option let me know all of my music is always free on band lab and on youtube and all of that stuff so I always make sure that there's a free option right and I was thinking to myself you know the other day somebody was like wow so you're you know you're finally becoming successful and and it was that word success that really caught me off guard you know what I mean I was sitting there and I'm like wow you know so if the only way that you could fill any sort of success as a musician is if you're on some sort of other platform that's recognized then then I'm not really sure if that's the type of success that I'm seeking so that's what I wanted to talk about today what defines success specifically in the music industry and I think this is a very open-ended question I doubt that there is any sort of definitive answer to this right so what defines success for you is it the amount of people that listen to your music is it the fact that you feel success after making a song what is it that you crave what is it that you want from you SiC why do you do what you do and when do you consider yourself successful because for me you know I've I've been avoiding the topic of success ever since I started making music because it's just an innate ability for me it's a it's like nature to me to just make music you know there really there is no question of success because even if I've never gotten on a platform or if I never had gotten on to Spotify for example it wouldn't have stopped me from making music because it's something that I express no matter what it's something that I do no matter what because it's instinct it is an innate nature for me to make music and I'm also not judging people who want to make music to gain a monetary aspect I think that that's something unfortunately it's like if you do it further if you do it for monetary reasons on top of your passion right you're kind of seen as a sellout and I'm not sure if I'm a huge fan of that philosophy either it's it's it's more so just well if you want to make music for money then you know you make music for money I think people will still enjoy your music if it's any good if you still have some talent but I want to know what you guys think what defines success because in the music industry it is definitely defined by the amount of people listening and you know that makes sense because if your music is popular then that typically means that your music is good at least to to you know the large conglomerate of people right I mean if most of the society is listening to your music then it probably means that you make okay music but that's not always true you know I listen to a lot of experimental stuff that might have five views I listen to a lot of very strange things that you know very quirky music very different variations of music different covers of music you know and I consider these artists successful in their own right because they're constantly creating new and deeper projects for themselves so I think the definitions vary from person to person on what success is and so I thought it was interesting that my friend know she she's not in the music industry at all you know for her when she peers into you know the the world of music it is on the surface level right it's either people like your music or not and that defines your success and that that typically makes sense right I mentioned that before it makes sense if people like your music then that means it's probably okay however I personally see it from a different perspective where in you know there are lots of people especially underground oh you guys know we are underground musicians is what we do we are here supporting people with their dreams it doesn't matter how many followers they have it doesn't matter how many views they get we are here because we're here for the message which is to make music from from passion right and that's the view that I see it from I see it from a point of passion if you will because I said before I make music no matter what you know it's it's a way for me to cope with things it's a way for me to express myself in ways that words just can't so everybody's definition of success is different I just sort of wanted to talk about that a little bit because I find that to be one of the most interesting aspects of music there's always this pressure to get more and more views there's always as pressure to be more and more popular amongst the crowds even if you're underground for example there's that there's that same sort of pressure like for example Nirvana you know in the Washington Wave if you will you know that whole grunge wave all of them were garage bands it was really similar to what I do and in my room you know anything can music nothing fancy nothing great you know but it was raw passion and for the most part none of them really wanted to get into the fame you know they really liked their small underground groups their intimate groups and I was reading a couple chapters from Malcolm Gladwell he wrote this book david-and-goliath and there's a chapter in there and it talks about universities right and how universities define success now this is gonna be a little bit of a ramble but essentially Gladwell said that you know the big prestigious universities if your student there you're a small fish in a large pond right and you're sort of treated that way we're in you know you try your best but your best is never good enough because there's somebody else who is always better at you because it's such a prestigious College but the other theory is being a big fish in a small pond for example if you you know are at a smaller school it's not as prestigious but you see yourself as intelligent you tend to actually be more productive and this is seen in the past as well with artists for example you know the the interpreters of the early era right the the Impressionists of the early era they were shunned by the traditionalists and their museums because the museum's never really wanted their work because they were small fish in a big pond but as soon as they created their underground work right as soon as they created their their paintings and their small intimate groups they became big fish in a small pond and therefore they actually gained more quote-unquote success so that again is a bit of a ramble on my part but what I'm trying to convey here is that although we are underground musicians I do see us with levels of success on our own without society interpreting it for us you see we make our music for us for the group for who we are as underground individuals we're here because we want to express our passion for what we do for what we love but I want to know your opinions on success as a musician as an artist as a person what is it and how do you define it so there's that spiel we're gonna talk about our guest on today our featured artist for today Travis Scott he has a great style the only way that I can describe it as as any type of word would be sentimental when I hear his work it's very emotional but not not in a very light manner it's very powerful he makes very powerful sounding music and I'm a huge fan of what he does I think that he has a lot of great ideas especially with composition and I'm gonna talk about his inspiration for music we were talking a while ago and I asked him a couple questions about what inspires him as an artist what makes him who he is why he makes music and he said quote my purpose as an artist is to share the gospel and to worship God I like that I'm not making corporate worship songs that are only meant to be played in churches or on Christian radio and I thought that was a really interesting statement and I really felt that statement because you know a lot of times it doesn't matter what religion you are or what even sort of group niche group that you're part of it's hard for the outside listeners to feel anything because you feel not included but what I like about what Travis said is that you know he's he's making music that isn't just meant to be played in a church he's making music for the masses that that can actually feel his music you know they can understand his emotion and his ideas without having necessarily to be part of a church or part of a Christian radio and I thought that was a really good statement I think that's a very open minded statement I really like that he also gave a little bit of his background he said quote I used to be in a metal band when I wasn't a Christian I spent years learning how to play guitar without learning music I still have no clue about music theory without getting into my whole story in testimony I did become a follower of Jesus and I believe that my passion for music to the point of creating it was all a gift from God so I offer it back through worship I also think that's a very powerful statement you know it just goes to show that you don't have to be into music theory in order to make powerful music and to make a music with a message and he has such a strong conviction that I'm very much in awe that I really really appreciate somebody who's vigilant and what they do somebody who has a vision for their music so without further ado I really want you guys to listen to some of his work definitely go check him out on band lab give him lots and lots of support and make sure you listen to this track that he sent there's also a female artist who collaborated with this track and if I have her information I would definitely put that down below as well but please listen to this song and I hope that you guys enjoy thank you for listening to the podcast I'll be coming back with new ones here in the near future because I will have a little bit more time coming up here pretty soon to make more and more podcasts so thank you guys so much Hermits I really appreciate it see you next time [Applause] every day in my body every hour every second that's a try you can't breathe [Applause] I my in is my thing skin and I am grateful [Applause] two turns Oh [Applause] I love this gift Oh [Applause] I [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] [Applause] I 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3 Comments

  • The Paul Walker Experience says:

    I think there's different types and levels of success. There's creative success, where you figure out something that makes you grow as an artist. Then there's popular success based on how many listeners you have. There's critical success, based on the reviews of the music critics. And finally, there's commercial success, based on how much cash you rake in.

    I personally want to push my creativity to stratospheric levels. As for popular and critical success, I'd like to be one of those acts that's well-known to people who follow underground music but I don't want to be a household name, e.g. Skinny Puppy or Alien Sex Fiend. As for commercial success, I'd love to make enough money that I can quit my job and focus on music entirely and get better equipment. But I don't want to be a big arena pop sensation.

  • Travis Scott says:

    I think success is defined by each persons individual goals. And measured by the amount put into reaching said goals.

    For me, the goal is walk within God's will for my life. So when I feel like Im doing so, I definitely feel successful.

  • Robert Foy says:

    Let's get this out of the way real quick: I have a REAL hard time believing that anyone who is a musician would say "I do not wish to make money doing what I love, creating music" If I thought I could make $100 per song, I would be soooo on that! LOL
    But…
    Let's be realistic. Becoming commercially successful in the music industry requires three things 1. Having enough luck to be struck by lightning and winning the lottery at the same time. 2. Having the right look for your chosen genre. 3. Being exceptionally good at what you specialize in.

    Ok, so I have no chance at commercial success and very few people will listen, fewer will care. What drives me to practice, what would I consider a successful life as a musician?

    Success for me would to become good enough that I can create pieces of music that evoke emotion. We have all heard them…the song that can bring you to tears, the song that can raise the hair on the back of your neck, the song that gives you goosebumps, the song that really makes you want to move, etc. I want to be good enough that I can create or improvise a solo that is breathtaking. Basically, I want to impress the sh*t out of myself.

    If I can ever get to that point, I could reach the Ultimate success. Creating music that outlives me. Maybe, someday, my daughter just might share the music I created with her grandchildren. Think about that…

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