NBE Talks To Hip Hop Artist & Musical Therapist Alex Blood About The Benefits Of Musical Therapy

NBE Talks To Hip Hop Artist & Musical Therapist Alex Blood About The Benefits Of Musical Therapy



I'm non-binary elephant podcast hello Li Shimin welcome to the non-binary elephant podcast my name is Gareth I'm joined by my brother Jeremy Ike today on the show we've got Alex blood formerly of Alex blood and the diggers was a musician did lots of tour and played lots of big shows which we'll get into later he then went on to to work a lot with the Arts Council which is currently doing organising events and helping kids in impoverished areas of Darvish here but he's also now a music therapist which to me I haven't got clue what that is so I'm quite interested to know um so first of all it's welcome hello welcome if you could tell me and while I know yes sir tell me tell the audience a bit about who you are okay yeah well I mean yeah to kind of flesh out what you just already told him yeah I'm a singer songwriter musician I have been most I'd say I like the way you describe me as was a musician yeah jump in then ago you just turn in the grave already do those things yeah it's like I used to be and so it's quite kicking the he's got a kid in common anymore he thinks I really do relate ya feel I almost feel that felt sense of was a musician but yeah yeah I'm hanging on to it so I yeah you know cuz I'm still a musician spent a lot of years say tour in performing writing would come from her originally from a hip-hop background it's very much that was my youth was hip-hop and wrapping an emcee and which just as I was touring a performing over the years got me into more live music life bands and just generally music in general took me out into that sort of Industry and scene and I've always tried to really in it in a sort of real blunt way just try to hustle a living out of not getting a real job and being a musician yeah so that was that's kind of where everything I do is stemmed from really it was like how do I I'm not doing anything else I'm not working for anybody I'm not doing anything like you know that I'm going to I can't take orders I can't deal with or thorry I want to just met music and how do I do it so every little step along the way I found it a way of doing it so originally sort of saved money looking at 2001 ish 2002 as about 18 19 and I was kind of bumming around at uni on music Tech degrees which I don't know people have different opinions out there but a music Tech degrees not really worth the paper it's written on because it's kind of you can go if you know what you're doing you can go get a job in a studio produce without any degree so I was just bumming around I was just trying to find a way to get student loan and not work but yeah so I was touring my own music and stuff but a friend of mine put me on to sort of doing workshops with kids so sort of going into people Referral Units and at the time obviously being sort of quite active in the hip-hop scene sort of on radio and on on the on the sky channels or being quite relevant to him so being able to sort of show them how to write a rap or show them how to make a beat mecca CD with them and it had a real sort of engagement that especially in this neck of the woods up in the Midlands in Derby particular it just not been done before and it nobody knew how to reach these these kids this is when you're a baby people this was Biff this was before baby people so maybe people is the company that kind of came out of was laying those foundations literally like two afternoons a week drive into a youth club you know in a course with a laptop in the boot doing that and that just got busier and busier and busier and that sort of gave me a bit of a you know sort of pocket money really while I was actually going about driving up and down from London and back and touring and doing what I was doing so it kind of helped me make a living subsidised it yeah I mean that's kind of my background and that's kind of what got me off the ground as a musician and never really had a job since really right so that because that leads you then into the Arts Council stuff which we've done together been fortunate enough to do listed the third project I've done within which we were in the middle of the minute yeah um which is wicked for me so obviously you've worked with the kids in sort of some difficult areas and we've weave into some difficult areas together like particularly when we were in staple food of the young offenders that was yeah kind of eye-opening really to work with those kids yeah is that what then pushed you into music therapy they thought you know I'm kind of helping them out but I feel like I may be treating the symptom a bit and that you could maybe make a bit of a difference yeah I mean my my journey towards music therapy is a real convoluted one really it's quite long because I was doing this stuff with the kids in the in the pure Peru units for years and like I say the company formed out of that that became quite big and needless to say like we as you know you know being an independent musician is a bit of a labor of love you know you don't you don't really make a living off it you might be able to sort of it ended up more or less being sort of obviously a passion and a love and I enjoyed doing it but it was kind of the marketing that got me got me workshop work because I oh this guy's got an artistic profile in his touring and he's on radios yeah we know you know that costs me to do but that would then bring in the sort of community work people people would like somebody to work with the youth that's probably some sort of you know I guess I'm a role model of sorts for one of the best raised or or a bit that might provide a bit of a pathway like look this person has made a success and they didn't follow the normal path so you know they want that kind of flag so that would bring a lot of that kind of work in but it became a big company if it wasn't my company where I was kind of involved in the start but it was a friend's company got bigger and bigger and more more and more sort of I would sort of say systemically permeated by the outside coming in so we set off as sort of you know hip-hop disciples like spreading the gospel of like street music and culture and then before long you sort of toeing the lines of the curriculum and the forms that the client ones and over ten or fifteen years it became like that you know we started out with loads of autonomy with the kids which you know you could in today's climate especially it's really not gonna happen anymore we started out with a lot of autonomy which you know you're like a saint can be considered a risk really if you're looking at it through risk tinted glasses which we do but it actually allowed us the autonomy to build real relationships with the kids that actually were transformative for him which over 15 years or so that became harder and harder to do you became more and more accountable for everything that was happening and people were more on the outside if you like the clients were more so the schools or the councils were more starting to prescribe what they wanted the outputs to be it became a bit of local you know you come into us because we've been engaging these people for so long but now you're trying to tell us how to engage it and for me it just started to not really feel right so I spent probably the last few years of that work really not enjoying the work really enjoying connecting with the the young people that was working with but not enjoying the bureaucracy and the sort of just this all feeling start to feel like I was working for a big company again with you know um so I was kind of done with it really and I didn't know my music was sort of as we know having kids and stuff music was getting harder so I was in a real transitional point and did a lot of other stuff went and lived on boats for five years and sort of traveled about no fixed abode style and tried to find my path again um and it was actually I went on a retreat last year in Derbyshire which was one of the most intense experiences of my life which is eventually what kind of you could say catalyze me towards music therapy and it was kind of the back of a bit of it we all go through our trials I earn a bit of a crisis if you like in my own mental health with all this sort of questioning what was going on in my life had relationship breakdowns and displacement going off and I was living separate to my son and it was all pretty bad point in my life and I actually ended up going into normal psychotherapy myself so I was in psychotherapy for 18 months prior to deciding to train myself and really sort of unpack myself really it was it was AC months of like intense on packing down tubes of granular level which has all sorts of it's frightening here yeah because it can actually gets a lot worse before it gets better so it's it's one of those processes and that's what kind of led me into sort of that sort of line of life or if you like that sort of I'm unpacking myself so I was looking for loads of opportunities to experience parts of myself that I'd not do I started meditating a lot and kind of having a bit of a point for one of a better word spiritual awakening you know which sounds really cliche to say but you know it's it's the only thing that I can kind of say that it would felt like you felt like a coming out of something that had been in for most of my life and so they ended up on this retreat which was a five days three three and a half day sorry three half day retreat which went through a very deep process using a lot of Native American processes that they used a lot of really interesting insightful processes where they were able to get insight beyond the intellect because they were that's how they kind of generally lived they took their insight from nature from group they'd like a real group aware group consciousness awareness as standard you know something that we sort of don't really do much anymore in our in our in our side of the world and you can get people like Darren brown going on telly doing sort of like oppressive TV feats where he's used to group the group Minds to get some stuff but they they would do this a bit that was part of their culture so there's a lot of that embedded in it a lot of Gestalt therapy embedded in it and Gestalt therapy is to do with the body and the embodiment so the now them using the now very much defined how how do you feel in your body when you recall this memory or if I put you next to this thing which represents this part how do you feel you stand close to reality it's all that kind of work embodied work so that it was it was a retreat of all that kind of stuff and it just kind of came out of it thinking like you know this is my window really to find one supposed to be doing and a new music was in me I knew that I was passionate about the the way the music can connect with people and can resonate with people I personally felt the transformative effects of it obviously as a youth as we do you know when you sort of you've fought you latch onto it as a way of sort of finding your place in the world part of my sort of own like I say my own getting over this sort of breakdown fault of a better word was me reconnecting back with myself as an artist away from this sort of treadmill of writing songs for touring write songs for EPS being a career musician I had to scrap that I had to literally sat that off and just go back to connecting with an instrument and finding what that felt like again finally what it felt like to be creative with no agenda and that's what I start to think wow this is having an effect on me and it's you know that kind of the rest of history really I was googling around what what what can you do with this like what and the discovered music therapy and then found out the Darby University was doing their first intake last year oh yeah so that's kind of how a little sync synchronized in it yeah it's almost like it's meant to be yeah with this Buddhist retreat was this the one where they you've told me about it remember the time we they put you into like a family tree and people were yeah you said it was that bill yeah yeah so there's this desert this there's a psychotherapist from I think he's Germany yeah called Bert Hellinger and he's wrote this book which is like a cornerstone of this kind of work called looks hidden symmetry and it is incredible he gets a lot of backlash from certain communities for it because it's it's pretty mind-blowing stuff it's to do with the systems in in the family and the sort of energetic exchange between generations that go on so yes a lot of his work he would work obviously in Germany he was working with Holocaust survivors and they found out and it's quite common in in that sort of field now that there's a disproportionate amount of suicide depression and anxiety in the following sort of three or four generations from Holocaust survivors that has seemingly okay life's no real traumas like they're sort of ancestors experienced but there is this trans general trans generational trauma that comes infused through can come it can come in fuse through love it can come infused to care and it's it's a phenomena it scores its classes phenomenology so it's sort of a it's not yet completely scientifically proven but it's not disproven but it seems to be the foot so that is they'll mock it yeah I mean yeah this I mean it's really worth checking out it there's even stuff in there to do I mean it's quite controversial there's stuff in there to do with young young person that might decide to be homosexual or is homosexual maybe accounting for something further back in their ancestral line where somebody was persecuted or a female was made to take a male role but you know that is all to do with this balance and stuff of male of female energies and systems and it's fascinating stuff and so he devised this way of sort of using that that sort of knowledge because if that's if that's what's happening if people are carrying this stuff from three or four generations back that they're unaware of then we're all carrying it yeah and that's like sociological as well so he developed this thing called constellations family constellation work which is absolutely mind-blowing I've been on at three or four of them now and I've done a bit training in it and you'll get an issue holder come so somebody will bring an issue so somebody might come to the day or the group or the event with I want to figure out why I'm not getting this in my life or I want to figure out why I keep having this same problem or this same pattern or this or I've lost a family member I can't move on there could be any issue it could be anything so the issue holder will bring the issue to the group and the constellation is essentially just somebody facilitating the process will boil it down with the issue holder to like what do you want to find out what insight do you want from these you normally have about 20 people 25 people what issue do you want to find out it's got to be pretty clear and this that this then connects into quantum physics so there's a there's a lady called Lynne McTaggart at the wrote a book called the field which is to do with quantum physics and it's to do with the energetic field around us and which connects to the hive much all that kind of body of work it's all interlinked it's all kind of that so if the question if the issue holder isn't asking a question that is sort of genuine and true they genuinely want to know this it can't be some sort of convoluted I don't really know have a crack at this it's got to be true because otherwise it won't draw the right insight from the people so it could be something to do with the family so these your holes will then be asked to identify to somebody this grew to identify your mom choose somebody in this group to read so I represent your dad and it doesn't have to be a person it could be it could be a structural it could be somebody going I want something to represent my pain or not something to represent but normally it starts with four people oh yeah and then they'll be asked to position them where they want to position them in the circle and then it caught you kind of sit back a little fold so the constant later will then say right representatives Mecca move tune into your body feel your feet on the ground move to where you feel comfortable and a map will start to form and you'll get insight somebody will go out can't stand next to him I feeling more that they don't know this person they don't know their history but that person will be going yeah that connects to this that makes sense that's what I've experienced or and then and then it will unfold and it will be relentless or breakthroughs it will end up in block you're fine blockages in the thing your why can't you connect with that why can't you connect with that person there for instance example why can't you step any closer to your mother but I just can't right well if we bring in grandmother to stand behind mother and mother sensors Instagram others presence can you stay yes I could step closer now and these things start to happen and things start to get and it is like very powerful work so that yeah we did a lot of that on this retreat and and it's it's sort of the most mind-blowing stuff I've ever seen happen which really obviously then inspired me to kind of go further with it not quite sure how music relates to that I mean that's just a separate thing that we experienced on that retreat and that work can be very quite openly facilitated with the constellation questions the one that really blew my socks off though was when we did a blind family constellation which was me sort of sat at the head of it with six people and that felt drawn into the positions of my mother and father and them are to know to sides of grandparents so there was mother father paternal grandparents maternal grandparents and me and it was whoever felt drawn into them and it's not necessarily gender so a woman may feel drawn into a male's position in the system but generally not they take the step we don't do any speaking i they look at me and I make eye contact with every one of them and then the the constantly okay everybody just in a moment looking Alex when I ring the bell everybody take one step they took one step and the formation was completely my family system it was my mother touching my shoulder my dad accessing my love through my mother you know I've got a gram I got a grandfather that was just you know no emotional connections whose family no no real emotional sort of mute outside of the system and the grandparents that were closer to me as children were closer to me and it was just like these people don't even know these people don't know me at all and it was drawn out in sort of a process yeah that's quite fascinating stuff in it not in that detail the time thinking wow that sounds amazing yeah yeah didn't see why you'd want to get into this kind of stuff yeah cuz it's just I mean I couldn't believe it and it's just that sort of stuff that is not that we kind of know but we don't know why we know it and we're all we're all walking around justify well totally yeah so the music side of it then I mean say for instance I've got I've got an issue in a relationship or a family situation mm-hm how would you help me do you think musically how does how does that work in terms of therapy so the music therapy is is mainly sort of centered around is it's like any other form of psychotherapy so you've got you know your psychotherapy you've got dance therapy and drama therapy it's basically psychotherapy where the main mode of communicating is music or music will be used as much as talking so you can talk a lot you know I think it you can go through a session with a client and talk for the whole session but you can equally go into a session with a client who's not in the mood to talk but we'll play and from that plane you can you can draw sort of insights and and sort of analysis of their interpersonal world their internal world so for instance me and you could be you could be you could say to me I've got real problems in my relationship in a real difficult time we start playing some music together and you're kind of not really sensing into what I'm doing you can I can tell that I might change tone or I might change pitch or volume and it doesn't you don't notice and that would give me some sort of insight into the fact that you're not sensing into my presence in this communication you're in your own thing likewise I cover the other way around so I've worked with clients where they're sort of considered to have anger issues and they're kicking off and they've got no getting on with anybody there what real communication issues and I could have really in intimate improvisations where the mute they're so attuned to what I'm doing and I can go back to this or school or work social worker and go no they're really sensitive to people's incoming signals my signals are musical but they're really sensitive to them and they're responding to them so their interpersonal world is is still there like that's still ready for a meaningful communication it's just you know they're having issues with something else so we can cut start to boil down where it way might be coming from I can imagine if you're someone that's very different funds communicating very difficult I'm talking about your feelings very difficult there must be a much easier way of getting something across if you've got if you can just play some music with somebody don't have to speak you don't have to pull your eye out to them but then they can as you can you can gauge something from just playing music with them yeah that must be so nice for somebody who really struggles to speak of which a lot of people do well that's it yeah I mean that's the other side of it so like I was just pretty much describing the analytical side of it and what you're talking about there is the experiential side of it so somebody may get to experience a very nice meaningful communication and dialogue with with me musically there just don't have in any other realm of their life because they really struggle in in those kind of areas yeah so that by experiencing it feeling it they can start to work and value at that part of themselves which won't you know hopefully lead to them recognizing that they are capable of that and that's still there within them or you know can be healed or worked on within them yeah so you but you'd have to be a musician oh yeah yeah you would now one of the things that blew my mind as a musician when I went in there was this concept of free improvisation so this was this was nuts to me and I'm sure you would experience it the same as I did and he as a songwriter and a musician we we play basically we repeat in structures and frameworks that have already been done three thousand times millions of times over you know what I mean like every rhythm that we play every chord every song is a framework it's got a musical frame it could be a tonal frame could be a rhythmic frame could be it could be a genre base frame yeah and we cut we kind of as artists I think who have tried to be especially artists more so but I think musicians in general but we have tried to create products that are valued that are impressive that are good so we have this craving for structure and yeah so free improvisation throws all out the window and it's like here's here's a lot of instruments and some of them in tune is some of them aren't let's play and that's it and let's play with the awareness of everybody else in the group at all points in time and and respond considerably you know so it's kind of out there so when I first went into the uniqueness and they were like right there's pop my interview process they were like we're gonna we want to improvise with you for 15 minutes 15 minutes there's a long long time we started silence we end in silence and nobody nobody nobody conducts it or guides its it just happens and it's it's you know you you could probably I initially found them quite annoying as coming from where I was coming from yeah the sound is quite annoying I thought this is what I thought out there this is Dinny this is hippie doubt this is weird this is not pleasing to my ear but slowly obviously over the trainer got more and more into it and then when I start to use that with people that's when I was like wow this is this is the power of this stuff this is the interpersonal communication that's going on it's not about that no you quality of the music yeah yeah so that was really interesting because I was thought even improvisation was probably like oh you mean like jamming like yes exactly what I thought you meant but no that is that is the technical term for that is extemporize ation where you're doing your member you're basically improvising something that is not not completely improvised because it's within a frame so you manage I mean the Blues you know yeah yeah you know where you going yes structure to it yeah so it's completely a tonal structure of stuff and and that from there they take you on this way of sort of learning different techniques which is there's a technique called matching where I could give a client an instrument and they're going to start going crazy on it so on my instrument which I could choose what it will be and more often than I will go with my instrument as a guitar I try and match them well where they're at so I go into where they're making a crazy and round one coming to make a crazy row if they're playing really gently I'll stop playing really gently and what it says to them is all you've you've met me where I'm at you've arrived where I am and then I can musically start to if needs be take them away from that if it's not safe for them to be something if they'd really could do with an experience in being calm down yeah I learn how to do that musically so check again come with me with where I'm going to calm it down and slow it down and bring them down so it's all them you do need to have you know a fair understanding in music it's pushed my musical understanding way beyond what it was it helped you do you think you you're almost treating yourself at the same time yeah absolutely and so that's something we've got to study that's that's it that's the concept of parallel process so parallel process can happen in various points and it's it can be it can be if it's a dent if it's identified as parallel process it can be really powerful if it's not it can be pretty dangerous you know so that's kind of like getting to transference really so I conical transference but yeah this is quite a unique period really in my training where I am learning about this at the same time that my clients are experiencing it so we're having new experiences together you know I haven't worn off experiences every interaction you could say is a one-off experience but this is quite a short period of time where yeah I'm having a and experience myself in those improvisations and by entering into that music this is where it's a bit different to normal therapists you know when I enter into music somebody I'm basically at risk you know in a way it's exposing you're going in with your music with somebody that's damaged with their music whereas if it's just straight vocal verbal therapy you can always remain you can always make a did you create that little bubble so you don't take your yourself yet you generally going with a list of questions they knew your standard practice yeah what you'd ask somebody but you've no idea where it's gonna go when you sit down dear no and when when the music starts you don't know what the war it's what its gonna be in what it might reveal or what it what it could bring up as well yeah well what results have you found I mean I may not you not been at it for that long so results now yeah but what have you what have you found well I mean I'm so I'm basically halfway through the training to to get accredited by the healthcare professionals Council because it's a it's a moderated sort profession so the last year I was working within a community setting in in sort of an early intervention community team that would take young people who are on the brink of possibly going on to social services radar or this case might get to social services so we'll try this first and we'll get weather do supply next year I'm going into one of the three high-security psychiatric hospitals in the country which is terrifying yeah absolute Arif I that'll be so yeah I mean that is not the the most dangerous mental patients in in the region type stuff which is adults which is that's gonna be new to me because most of my work through young people or has been historically and I'm really keen to try working with adults because children are very more often than not they're up for picking up an instrument having a bang more often than not an adult that isn't a musician isn't you know know so I'm gonna have that to deal with um but yeah I mean results wise there's some absolutely fascinating stuff there was because I've obviously this is my first year in sort of in practice in this kind of work so there was a client I had that very keen to play all the time and he was considered a lot of anger issues had a really sort of very upsetting very upsetting abuse Laden past from early years to now and you know for we seem like a lovely boy that whenever I was working with him seem like a lovely kid and we play music together all the time and he was really up for playing music regularly so we did these kind of improvisation as I was on about from about four or five weeks six weeks and there was little thing in him but it was it was in between when we'd stop playing in the silence came and I would never decide when we would stop or start so that he would always the client if you know I would always start the music and end it and I would just be there with them all the time and in little things would come out in between where he would sort of odd little sentences where he would give me little windows into his world and then randomly on sort of week six or seven I think it was not much music was being played but he had a guitar in his lap and he was in physical contact with the guitar just sort of just just stroking it not trying to make any music and as he was stroking it and swinging his legs he just uploaded his entire quite horrific back story to me and it turned and and it was like you know look it was really difficult to hear it was like lump in my throat moments and I was I was shaken after the session I would start to go through all the safeguards different ring stuff through and go is this new you know has this been and yeah it was it was quite a terrifying thing for me to be on the receiving end of but I was left with all these questions of like what y yvy and however I got to a point where this has just happened and he was I I said you know anyone else you've told this to and he was like yeah I've told it to four other people and three five other people three of them turned out to be soft toys and one of them was his grandma and one of them was me so it was like yeah and it was like I was just left with this slight well what the obviously I was in training so it's kind of on my shoulders to figure out what happened there how did that happen and let's go back through all because we had permission in two case studies so we had permission to record the sessions and it was going back and reflecting on it where I was kind of like wow these these improvisations I've just done week in week out thinking he's just enjoying playing his music has built a relationship yes book trust yeah he's a he's felt safe by me doing these techniques because I hold in him or matching him in the music letting him know him there attune him to him as let him know that he's been listened to and he's been held which eventually led him to the point where he felt completely safe to give me all this stuff which allowed him to reprocess some of his trauma or would you know it's quite short piece of work in training they don't let you go on if I was working with this client for two or three years we could really yeah but you know as we know live vocalizing and going through stuff and sharing stuff come help with the reprocessing abhi ups a night to you know go through my own sort of analysis of how and why that happened and that was just one case you know yeah of people that were with so yeah that they're the kind of results that can happen and that's very much in the sort of trauma based sort of work obviously people have a lot of a friend of mine on my courseware say a friend is accused somebody on my course was working in dementia care and they have very quick results they have like very visible results fast so the sort of mental health of somebody in the care home can improve like three hundred percent for the week after their session Wow and then when they don't have them when the set because they only get a certain amount of a lot of sessions through funding and all that when their sessions end there they regress back yeah it's that clear it's that in that setting it's that immediate some of the responses from it so in that scenario would it be something that you do as a group go into a care home and yeah with I agree for twenty people yeah so some of it is groups really not always one and once not always one on one yeah so some of my work last year was with a group and next year in the in the psychiatric place I'll be doing an open group where people can come and gain if they like and so in the dementia home they'll do a group and one-to-one yeah the group stuff is quite difficult really because you in a one-to-one setting you sort of holding one person in your mind and what's going on in their internal in the external world in a group you've got to have you you've got to have your mind on everybody's internal it's harder to tune into individuals you can tune it suppose in a group in you know that's it and you don't know what's gonna play out and and it's getting getting into us or thinking of the this or recapitulation of the primary family always happens in the group so people will start to communicate with people in ways that they will be communicating with in their primary family whether it's a parent or a sibling which you can get all those kind of insights and sometimes if you've got the case knowledge as well you can see that happening in the group and you can prevent sort of troublesome into counters or problematic encounters happening so yeah groups groups again a lot of work music therapy groups you listening can't see but you've got a guitar yeah and what appears yeah so you're gonna want to play some yeah so what we've got here is I mean this is interestingly this is something I'm doing next week in a conference of 80 people Wow we're a company called bleeder the health the people who met the shampoos and stuff but the door the sort of natural and stuff I'm doing a lot of it some of this kind of work in organizational work as well when you trying to get a group to work well together and stuff like that so this is a set chime bars it essentially looks like for people who are listening might be up to see but it's basically a xylophone broken up yeah so you've got all year you've got all your keys they've all you white keys and all your Black Keys like on a piano and but you can take each key individually so this is really useful in b-flat is that yeah and they just got that so you can I can use it if I know I've got my guitar tuned to like an open D I can hand out the D you set a notes if you like and we're all in tune so you can kind of provide that that frame where they can go oh wow this sounds great and we're doing it with very little effort and that gives an experience in itself and that would work then in in the okay huh yeah yeah and a group scenario yes I'm guessing if you're going into a care home with dementia pay I'm guessing they're not all musicians no really anyone would be oh yeah yeah yeah I mean a lot of that is receptive of quite a lot of that work is what you'd call receptive music therapy we're just there singing that you're singing in Russia they just enjoy negating their basically joined a gig yeah and it improves their well-being so a lot of it will be songs from sort of war like long way to tipperary us to fly that my friend was learning all these songs cuz he needed a whole catalogue of that era of music which would trigger memories so he'd sing that song and the guy I remember when I was in the war and we were singing that and it would bring stuff back which bush people you know family members may have thought that part that I had gone from their mind so a lot of is receptive that still encouraged to delete to be sort of participating as well so they will shake something or bang something so yeah if you can hand out if you do the long way to tipperary and you're kind of in a certain key you can hand out the charms that are in key then it sounds pleasant to everybody yeah yeah so I use this in various ways so the the pentatonic scale is really good for sort of random randomness sounding in tune so that's mainly just you know in this situation it's just the Black Keys so I'll usually lead it on piano or a co-lead on guitar but normally on piano and I'll hand out a black chime to everybody in the room and I've done it in sort of settings with young people where we've lowered the lights and they've got have found their own corner in the room to be alone but they can hear each other through the chimes and I'll sort of hold it with a with an ostinato on the piano just a pan that will keep them in a sort frame with it so yeah we can have a little there they'll go in it now yeah but yeah we could probably hunt give these guys one yeah one Chinese Gino and Louis from also in the room so they can get I've not seen any of this I'm side the wrong side of the table she's a black child I'll pick one right in the center I'm gonna go for a CT art which I believe c-sharp c-sharp then all that means they'll evolve come on so what are you gonna play Alex then are you gonna play guitar I'll play the charms right it's working because everyone's smiling in there yeah and everyone doesn't know what's going on no well so you've basically got pretty much the whole keyboard to yourself I'm not going to use that I'm going to stay with the Black Keys okay good band okay anyway yeah so I'm gonna play these and I'm gonna just kind of stop I'm gonna try and make it not too guarded right but I will hold it together for a bit and then you guys can just go okay really yeah yeah minou all right to sing just naturally genetics this is nothing so I can see how that would work yeah yeah okay people listening yeah please put some on face yeah yeah yeah it's got a very nice sort of sound to it people feel like oh this sounds really nice and all they're having to contribute is that one shine yeah yeah so it's it's a bit of an experiences of no music skills whatsoever book taking part is something that has some sort of values yeah yeah yeah but if you like you led that so you've put a nice little melody in there we've just hit it occasionally mmm but it's still added so your part is still part of the band don't yeah yeah yeah that's right you can do obviously what I'm doing a bigger situation so I've got to do with 80 people on one day Wow well they're going to be in groups of six so I'm gonna 13 groups of six I think and I'm gonna give each group one of these I'm gonna be on the piano on the stage leading it but what I would aim to do is once it's kind of because it starts with disarray with that many and then eventually people start to like say you'd like you guys start to sync all right people start to find where they are in the pattern of their rhythm and all of them pull away so I pull away from leading it so then if they are just it's just left them just left to them yeah yeah yeah they're open green yeah and then if they start to lose it I might come back in and just you know guide it yeah yeah yeah when you sit in disarray I just thought Desiree there's a song Desiree Desiree what's the song don't know it's comedy for money don't make my world go around reaching out for higher ground yeah oh yeah yeah yeah relevant yeah so whereabouts is this thing with AZ people this is not Ilkeston Ilkeston leader magical Ilkeston yeah so we'll leader globally put out this or initiative to redefine the purpose of their global in Brandon right there's this kind of big move these days to a common what what the algae stands for but they call it teal organizations or post conventional organizations where there's this idea that companies basically to survive and to stay afloat they need to actually have a real reason for being in a real purpose in the world and if they don't they're just battling against humanity really yes they float so I mean leader is is healthcare products that are manufactured completely in line with nature so they arguably do have quite a clear reason for being but they've put out a bit of a program globally and then the the sort company that is facilitating that in England is a friend of mine who runs the retreats yeah so he's called me in to do this is I really want to give 80 people an experience of feeling like they're attuned together in sort of about five minutes I just take a bowling we could all sing Yellow Submarine on that but yeah so basically they're using this is an analogy in that in that setting they're using it as that obviously we use the pentatonic scale that's a frame so any contribution you made within that had value to the piece they're using that as a bit of an experience for them to go the purpose of the company is this and any contribution you make within this there's still it's still valid it still fits underneath it's like a bit of metaphor and a bit of an activity but gonna need a lot more time soon yeah I could do with AC chimes I wonder without sound right yeah I'm gonna have two sets of these it's all about 20 so what is your what is your aim for it all long-term do you think for my yeah because you've got what how long left until your oh well yeah just less than one year less than one year here and then you're out into the big world yeah would it be to maybe sell your own company doing it yeah I think so other people yeah I think I think I really I'm quite you know I'm a convert really into outcomes I knew I wanted to use music to help people and I wanted to go above and beyond what I'd done with sort of educational or mentoring cuz I was like this is this is great but the nobody seems to really be in those systems nobody really seems to be either aware or care you know it's not on the agenda to be sort of looking at the real stuff that's going on in you know we're talking about especially with these young people damaged young people and you trying to get them through a certificate that they don't even care about what is good you know listen I don't have session out of situations there where they'd come to me and go right where's he where's he's a he's Rock School Certificate I was like well he came in today and told me that somebody beat him at home last night and I spent the hour talking to about how that made him feel so I'm the only certificate with him if that's all right well no it's not all right that's the harsh reality of that that situation that I was like no I need to I know that there's work out there for somebody that wants to work with that stuff and I know I believe in music so you know I'm really passionate about actually taking that out and it seems to be music therapy is but it's one of the longest existing creative expressive therapies it sort of came about one even sort of I need to look into this but even in saw the ancient Islamic world they use music therapy and healing and gongs and stuff in the East to heal and but they used a lot in first world war in in sort of the wards that were self to deal with people coming off the trenches the use of our music there it's one of the longest established creative interventions for people but it's still quite unknown you know like you guys have kind of said to me in lead-up to coming in here like we don't know much about it and that's more often the case and it is about experiences this year in having to sort of fight the corner for you going back into settings and people going oh it comes the music man you know no I'm not just a I'm not an entertainer and things like people go well we've moved your room this week and we've put you in no you can't just move the room like this is clinical right if you change the room I have to think about everything I think about the cycle the impact of that and it's trying to establish the profession really I mean the profession is it is established I could say it's healthcare professionals governed the British Association a music therapy all these bodies are kind of there to move in it but I feel quite passionate in this area in the Midlands and Derbyshire in in taking it out there and historically it's been quite and this sounds bad but I mean in a bad way but it's been quite sort of middle age middle-class women with scarves doing music therapy right which admittedly I know a lot music therapists chiffon scarf yeah sort of like those sort of games Urkel scoffs ones that you don't really need yeah oh yeah and I know a few therapists who are that who admittedly say yes you know we know that and it's there's only you know there's certain client groups and stuff that that sort of demographic person can't reach so me walking in sort of covered in toes looking like a rock musician can connect with a different demographic to what they can yeah so it and it's kind of changing the landscape of the profession and bringing in more diversity in the profession so I'm really quite keen on sort of bringing it down not bringing it down that's the wrong kind of phrase but you know me grounding isn't gonna appeal to younger people as well yeah but as the older people would still be like you've seen people's reaction always the music guy hmm if you were walkin in a thousand-pound suit with a box full of pills you'd be sir yeah you know yeah and that's the joke of it but to younger people you probably wouldn't and they would look at you and go yeah man yeah you understand yeah man yeah they probably would though yes yes I'm after you know after that that's what I want to do I want to sort of I probably will need some sort of you know organization in place to to deliver it and promote it really and I want to get writing about it because I think there's a lot in that I really want to try get some published stuff out there to do with there's sort of cultural elements of music a lot of what we're doing with the Arts Council is feeding into this kind of work with me because you know that we've the gig we played recently in in Ilkeston where we went into the pub and there's no stage there's no PA there's no room even really for your guitar but you've stuffed in the corner next to Mick Jane and Pete you've go there every night and we played music around them and that is something that is there's something happening there it's sociologically psychodynamic lee there's something happening there's an enriching of people's lives so there's a there's a real connection I think between my work with the Arts Council stuff which is taking art and music out into society and the therapy stuff and I'm really keen on sort of writing about that and so yes it is it is a clinical health care intervention but it's actually sort of in the fabric of people as a way of healing and yes I'm trained in it but it's not mine that music isn't mine when I'm entering some music with a client that it's their music as well yeah music is everybody so I'm really excited about sort of uncovering and writing about that and and spreading the word about I really and do more I will share anything my way if you're not absolutely that will share them on the website when people listen to this if you did interested to know often music something that's always brought people together well it's something that everyone likes you don't have to like the same music you know you listen to Dvorak's can share how all you can listen to Slayer but people like music don't they yeah one one sort or another yeah slingshot brilliant white hotline we're still relevant I'm not aware of let's catch up but maybe we should be was it the ketchup some like let's catch up some yeah the heat but someone likes less ketchup see I listen to that and I think what earth is that but someone will love it it could have very healing properties good yeah exactly we'd love you to come back then and come and have a chat we're building a studio upstairs at the minute so we could actually film in which we far better in terms of playing the as true as this stuff appear all this thing's oh yeah we'll see what's going on yeah um and it'd be really interested to see where you going with it further down yeah down the line yeah absolutely fab well thanks Alex yeah absolutely it's been fun thanks for bailing yeah Alex bloodless gentlemen Cheers

14 Comments

  • Shambala Arkturian says:

    I used to listen to hip hop, then I realized there was alternative hip hop/conscious based rap and then there was no going back to the ever increasing degeneration of commercial shit shop!

  • Superblack says:

    Hip hop artist? Yeah right? Sounds like a lower middle class white boy who is yet to grow up! How the hell did this crap appear on my recommended list?

  • Gimme your pin # mofo says:

    Sounds like a bunch of poppycock.. but whatever makes spoiled people feel better..ay..

  • The Moog says:

    I used to listen to hip hop, i stopped because I realised what degenerate filth it is.

  • Kathryn Waldrom says:

    Really interesting.

  • SisterSophiaART says:

    ~~~ it's my personal belief that every human is not their job or their skill-set or their culture their background there what they choose to learn and do and according to the Kama Sutra a human being is to be a master of several languages play instruments and this long list of prestigious things but it describes why that makes a person a better sexual partner in human being so that they are a whole person when they come together with another person and the various ways that they come together~~~ ps the Kama Sutra is better time and energy spent than on any Christian Conference or book

  • Lux Mea Lux Mea Christus1 says:

    Impoverished children in Derby so misic therapy satisfies impoverishment?? Errr no its throwing money around the issue and not at its heart…

  • Jonathan M Bardsley says:

    Take a look at this, trust me you will find it an interesting read.
    If your not clue up on the Mandela Effect I’ll give you a quick description, basically we are in a matrix, this is not a theory like the Big Bang Where Everything came from nothing, this is scientific facts, it’s been proven, so we are in a computer holographic universe and this holographic universe is being manipulated and changed by the controllers, they are changing our reality by D-wave the super computer working out the combination of there powerful magnets being turning on in a positive or negative state to create an magnetic field frequency and this frequency is rewriting the data to our reality and changing reality, from watching an experiment by Professor Luc Montagnier in showing water holds memory I worked out that earths magnetic field is the hard drive to our reality, in the experiment a listening device was used to record the electromagnetic field coming from the water, they then later reconstruct the DNA that was once in the water from the recording, this told me magnetic fields holds information, so I thought, is earths magnetic field the hard drive to our reality, I got confirmation when seeing magnetic fields being created and aimed at earths magnetic field.
    Before theses changes are made they need to know what it is they are changing to get the results they are looking for, to find this out I believe that the earths magnetic field is being amplified to record it just like it was done in the experiment, I don’t know how they are doing this but I do suspect HARRP is involved, so all the load trumpet sounds coming from our skies is earth’s magnetic field being amplified.
    Once they have this recording it is sent to D-wave to be deciphered into computer code, this is why they know the basics of our reality is the same has computer code of magnetic bits being in a positive or negative state to represent the one’s and zeros in computer code.
    Chemtrails are also involved in the changing of our reality, I have a video on my channel of a Dr in chemistry saying that what is being sprayed is quite strange and he thinks it’s magnetic chaff to change the vibrational frequency of this earths to make our atmosphere look poisonous so the aliens don’t invade, he is wrong on the alien bit but he is not wrong on changing the vibrational frequency because a Dr Michio Kaku says when two worlds vibrations are in sync, living beings can move back and forth between two worlds, he does go on to say but in time these vibrations drift apart making it no longer possible to move between two worlds, but he didn’t say that theses two worlds vibrations can be changed making the vibrations be in sync once again, so I believe the reptilians are bringing the vibrations of earth come in range of Nibiru so whatever is on Nibiru can and will pop in and out of our reality. I bet your thinking what the hell has all this got to do with this video, so I’ll tell you, what we thought was once science fiction is science fiction no more, we are living in a computer holographic universe and they know how to program anything that they can think of into our reality, so all theses city’s that are carved on side of mountains out of the stone could be programmed into existence. All theses big beautiful old buildings could be programmed into our reality. Do you want to know what the All Seeing Eye 👁 is? Well magnetic fields holds a copy of everything that was once in it so the entire earth’s history right down to the positions of atoms is stored in the earths magnetic field, this can now be downloaded by recording it and decoded into readable data. How cool is that, so Jesus Christ’s whole history can be seen, the dinosaurs that once lived on earth can be seen, in fact dinosaurs can be brought back with the technology, I mean the false killer whale and a cat with wings have popped into our reality from nowhere.
    I have made videos with footage of these magnetic fields hitting earths magnetic field so if you fancy checking them out go into my channel and check them out. Hope this was an interesting read and I hope you got some pleasures from read it.

  • Jonathan M Bardsley says:

    Take a look at this, trust me you will find it an interesting read.
    If your not clue up on the Mandela Effect I’ll give you a quick description, basically we are in a matrix, this is not a theory like the Big Bang Where Everything came from nothing, this is scientific facts, it’s been proven, so we are in a computer holographic universe and this holographic universe is being manipulated and changed by the controllers, they are changing our reality by D-wave the super computer working out the combination of there powerful magnets being turning on in a positive or negative state to create an magnetic field frequency and this frequency is rewriting the data to our reality and changing reality, from watching an experiment by Professor Luc Montagnier in showing water holds memory I worked out that earths magnetic field is the hard drive to our reality, in the experiment a listening device was used to record the electromagnetic field coming from the water, they then later reconstruct the DNA that was once in the water from the recording, this told me magnetic fields holds information, so I thought, is earths magnetic field the hard drive to our reality, I got confirmation when seeing magnetic fields being created and aimed at earths magnetic field.
    Before theses changes are made they need to know what it is they are changing to get the results they are looking for, to find this out I believe that the earths magnetic field is being amplified to record it just like it was done in the experiment, I don’t know how they are doing this but I do suspect HARRP is involved, so all the load trumpet sounds coming from our skies is earth’s magnetic field being amplified.
    Once they have this recording it is sent to D-wave to be deciphered into computer code, this is why they know the basics of our reality is the same has computer code of magnetic bits being in a positive or negative state to represent the one’s and zeros in computer code.
    Chemtrails are also involved in the changing of our reality, I have a video on my channel of a Dr in chemistry saying that what is being sprayed is quite strange and he thinks it’s magnetic chaff to change the vibrational frequency of this earths to make our atmosphere look poisonous so the aliens don’t invade, he is wrong on the alien bit but he is not wrong on changing the vibrational frequency because a Dr Michio Kaku says when two worlds vibrations are in sync, living beings can move back and forth between two worlds, he does go on to say but in time these vibrations drift apart making it no longer possible to move between two worlds, but he didn’t say that theses two worlds vibrations can be changed making the vibrations be in sync once again, so I believe the reptilians are bringing the vibrations of earth come in range of Nibiru so whatever is on Nibiru can and will pop in and out of our reality. I bet your thinking what the hell has all this got to do with this video, so I’ll tell you, what we thought was once science fiction is science fiction no more, we are living in a computer holographic universe and they know how to program anything that they can think of into our reality, so all theses city’s that are carved on side of mountains out of the stone could be programmed into existence. All theses big beautiful old buildings could be programmed into our reality. Do you want to know what the All Seeing Eye 👁 is? Well magnetic fields holds a copy of everything that was once in it so the entire earth’s history right down to the positions of atoms is stored in the earths magnetic field, this can now be downloaded by recording it and decoded into readable data. How cool is that, so Jesus Christ’s whole history can be seen, the dinosaurs that once lived on earth can be seen, in fact dinosaurs can be brought back with the technology, I mean the false killer whale and a cat with wings have popped into our reality from nowhere.
    I have made videos with footage of these magnetic fields hitting earths magnetic field so if you fancy checking them out go into my channel and check them out. Hope this was an interesting read and I hope you got some pleasures from read it.

  • workingmen1 says:

    Great show go to twitter @ccaplanis and hi SIR david

  • Hod D says:

    This really sucks please dont post this crap it makes us not wanna watch anything you put out low views on this guaranteed

  • WEAPONIZING TRUTH says:

    4th like notification squad

  • William Lapointe says:

    twofag !

  • Embryophagist says:

    Firstfag !

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